[ww-devel] webwork-devel Digest, Vol 41, Issue 33

Thu Aug 28 20:17:58 EDT 2014

What system are you using.  I"m having trouble getting it to work on Ubuntu
because Ubuntu uses a different SSL backend.  (Do have a "(certificate
verify failed)" in your error message or is it missing.  If its there then
the ssl is done using ssleay, which I havent' figured out yet.).

Geoff.

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> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:14:00 -0400
> From: Arnold Pizer <apizer at math.rochester.edu>
> To: WeBWorK development discussion <webwork-devel at webwork.maa.org>
> Subject: Re: [ww-devel] The library browser not updating problem
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> Hi,
>
> I have tried this on (1) a system with a self signed cert but no CA but
> with Geoff's changes and (2) a system with CA set up and the original
> WebworlClient.pm. I haven't tried this (http not https) on (3) a new
> install with a self signed cert but no CA and  the original
> WebworlClient.pm. Actually (3) is what I originally tried and it failed but
> I assume that was with https and a redirect (but at this point I'm not
> certain).
>
> Arnie
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Jason Aubrey <aubreyja at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arnie,
> >
> > I'm just asking if $server_root_url  = 'http://.../' works and
> > $server_root_url = 'https://.../$ fails on a fresh install with a self
> > signed cert but no CA.
> >
> > My hypothesis is that if the redirect only takes http://.../webwork2 to
> > https://.../webwork2, then the redirect should not affect posts to
> http://.../mod_xmlrpc
> > (and the library browser should work). However, if the redirect takes
> > everything to https, then it would also take http://.../mod_xmlrpc to
> > https://.../mod_xmlrpc and would fail with a self-signed cert and no ca.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Arnold Pizer <apizer at math.rochester.edu
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jason,
> >>
> >> What precisely do you mean by "If you reverse your earlier changes"?
> >>
> >> Arnie
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Jason Aubrey <aubreyja at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Arnold Pizer <
> apizer at math.rochester.edu
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Just tried Geoff's fix and it works BUT with the same weird behavior
> >>>> as above, i.e. $server_root_url   = 'https://192.168.56.101
> >>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://192.168.56.101/&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=db5e04bee9bed8b150d2b94b055d2a919c09444a01e802ef8edbfc81e6e15b6a
> >';
> >>>> fails but $server_root_url   = 'http://192.168.56.101
> >>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://192.168.56.101/&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=db5e04bee9bed8b150d2b94b055d2a919c09444a01e802ef8edbfc81e6e15b6a
> >';
> >>>> works.
> >>>>
> >>>> Arnie
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If you reverse your earlier changes do you still get this behavior or
> do
> >>> both fail?  I ask because redirects which take
> >>>
> >>> http://webwork.place.edu/webwork2
> >>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.place.edu/webwork2&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=7bfe89ad958813a64217668befb743991322daf1c49f12af14fa18f3dc4361d0
> >
> >>>
> >>> to
> >>>
> >>> https://webwork.place.edu/webwork2
> >>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://webwork.place.edu/webwork2&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=4cf1161bcfd2d3cfc84e64e2a1120c0cefb84617669d0d73feefba0b855b62cc
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> won't redirect
> >>>
> >>> http://webwork.place.edu/
> >>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.place.edu/&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=4bb3a4e71c4a044987432ff1c461bb191fb35a2c053b24f8279484938e816af0
> >mod_xmlrpc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> to
> >>>
> >>> https://webwork.place.edu/mod_xmlrpc
> >>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://webwork.place.edu/mod_xmlrpc&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=cccc7e41ef3702cd81a9fe8fe7b8988a1a7f2eea1f70d7bd75c3cd8a277c317f
> >.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, I think the non-https version for $server_root_url should always
> >>> work when we're just redirecting /webwork2 to https.
> >>>
> >>> Jason
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Arnold Pizer <
> >>>> apizer at math.rochester.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> No, I didn't see Geoff's pull request.  But here is something that is
> >>>>> for me VERY weird.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If in site.conf I set
> >>>>> $server_root_url   = 'http://localhost
> >>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://localhost&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=ccf67b11fc567d4fbe384e3d7600acc4a46a41ee55824e740e5240172c613da4
> >
> >>>>> ';
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> #$server_root_url   = 'http://192.168.56.101
> >>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://192.168.56.101&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=9f566001f76c1e1f1edd23300527c4d35dbe4e784e2fea2bbd43bb9486e5b8dd
> >
> >>>>> ';
> >>>>>  everything works.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note that I have http://192.168.56.101/webwork2/
> >>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://192.168.56.101/webwork2/&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=01b7c80a6af29a85c644612dc6be8ece7ddc85bd1c238a0fcc7ac4e04b341fe0
> >
> >>>>> redirected to https://192.168.56.101/webwork2/
> >>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://192.168.56.101/webwork2/&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=81c0db2465f149564adf30d9ce09c415dbf0e570cab8aefcb7a819b38d7c3ea3
> >
> >>>>> but things were working without this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now here is the weird part.  If in site.conf I set
> >>>>> $server_root_url   = 'https://localhost
> >>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://localhost&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=a61aa6e202128e3fcb844e3b900b624b121b591a3f15aea4d8bdd668a749d2c4
> >
> >>>>> ';
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> #$server_root_url   = 'https://192.168.56.101
> >>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://192.168.56.101&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=72870a6c131f9e71e79d360f32785c6c0c979541c670c5479f3c0ba9230d8ccb
> >
> >>>>> ';
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I get the same error in the library browser I was getting before.
> >>>>>  Anybody have a clue as to what is going on?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Arnie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Jason Aubrey <aubreyja at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Also in case you didn't see it Geoff submitted a pull request with a
> >>>>>> modification to WebworkClient.pm that he says fixes it;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://github.com/openwebwork/webwork2/pull/474
> >>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://github.com/openwebwork/webwork2/pull/474&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=RoJw%2FW1FRudTnLiaRwnUtv3RFD0IwB0qdHV7Fhpzf14%3D%0A&s=1908770f9c191d3c7cb33de2a97b6faeb73b4258ebc689bee4b39b4af988f67d
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Arnold Pizer <
> >>>>>> apizer at math.rochester.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I got this working by creating my own Certification Authority
> >>>>>>> following the directions at
> >>>>>>>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/certificates-and-security.html
> >>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/certificates-and-security.html&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=RoJw%2FW1FRudTnLiaRwnUtv3RFD0IwB0qdHV7Fhpzf14%3D%0A&s=cda5b02e866ec8f0bb4c4c8986252a3ecbe2094882470b9113cb0272bde0473a
> >
> >>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'll modify
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> http://webwork.maa.org/wiki/Installation_Manual_for_2.9_on_Ubuntu_14.04#Create_a_self-signed_Certificate
> >>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/wiki/Installation_Manual_for_2.9_on_Ubuntu_14.04%23Create_a_self-signed_Certificate&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=RoJw%2FW1FRudTnLiaRwnUtv3RFD0IwB0qdHV7Fhpzf14%3D%0A&s=b77ab855af9192dc943eda36e4a53a37cd5ca2862143a64f1a77dba848492550
> >
> >>>>>>> accordingly.  I'm not sure how much of what I did was needed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> First I tried pointing SSLCACertificateFile to my original self
> >>>>>>> signed certificate which some people say should work.  It didn't
> but I have
> >>>>>>> read that the SSLCACertificateFile needs to be a .pem file and my
> file was
> >>>>>>> a .crt file.  Maybe I should try generating a self signed pem file
> and
> >>>>>>> point both SSLCACertificateFile and SSLCertificateFile there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But at least I have something that works.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Arnie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:53 PM, John Jones <jj at asu.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I the problem arises from the ajax call, which is generated by
> >>>>>>>> jquery.  I think the configuration change has to either be done
> when we
> >>>>>>>> send the request (so in jquery's $.post command) or in the
> receiver, which
> >>>>>>>> is apache.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Arnold Pizer <
> >>>>>>>> apizer at math.rochester.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jason,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No, I still get the same error. I also tried setting in
> >>>>>>>>> webwork.apache2.4-conf
> >>>>>>>>> PerlSetEnv PERL_LWP_SSL_VERIFY_HOSTNAME 0
> >>>>>>>>> and a few similar things all to no avail.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Arnie
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Jason Aubrey <
> aubreyja at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Arnie,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We think might have a general solution, and you might be in the
> >>>>>>>>>> best position to test it. In line 143 of WebworkClient.pm could
> you put
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ssl_opts => { verify_hostname => 0 }
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> inside the ->proxy() bit.  So I think it should look like
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -> proxy(($self->url).'/'.REQUEST_URI,ssl_opts => {
> >>>>>>>>>> verify_hostname => 0 } );
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The ssl_opts should get passed to LWP::UserAgent and maybe
> >>>>>>>>>> disable the hostname verification for the web service calls.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Arnold Pizer <
> >>>>>>>>>> apizer at math.rochester.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.  After sending the email, I realized that the problem
> >>>>>>>>>>> wasn't with the browser but figured someone with a deeper
> understanding
> >>>>>>>>>>> would respond.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> When we figure this out, it would be good if we could make a
> >>>>>>>>>>> configuration option that  (1) disables hostname verification
> or
> >>>>>>>>>>> (2) does something else to make this problem easier to solve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Arnie
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason Aubrey <
> >>>>>>>>>>> aubreyja at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to track down who really needs the cert, but in this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> case it's not the browser.  I *think* it's LWP::UserAgent via
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LWP::Protocol::https.  You can see here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://search.cpan.org/~mschilli/LWP-Protocol-https-6.06/lib/LWP/Protocol/https.pm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://search.cpan.org/~mschilli/LWP-Protocol-https-6.06/lib/LWP/Protocol/https.pm&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=qcv1sUmY2mmPdAagwB7DjEHK%2FmPDlw6Qt7YtABKv6do%3D%0A&s=694e0ff4bb49d7042a44336317f7c7cc829d5d813697e43c845370e10f27db8d
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's description of how ssl requests can fail (which sounds
> >>>>>>>>>>>> like how ours are failing.)  So, the deeper solution might be
> to fix it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> here by disabling the check:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If hostname verification is requested by LWP::UserAgent's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ssl_opts, and neither SSL_ca_file nor SSL_ca_path is set,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> then SSL_ca_file is implied to be the one provided by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mozilla::CA. If the Mozilla::CA module isn't available SSL
> requests will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fail. Either install this module, set up an alternative
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> SSL_ca_file or disable hostname verification
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's if I'm right about who is complaining.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Arnold Pizer <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> apizer at math.rochester.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi John et all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I'm having the same problem.  When I look at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> things following Matt's suggestion, I see that the last
> module called is instructorXMLHandler.pm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I see the error msg
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Errors: 500 Can't connect to 192.168.56.101:443
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://192.168.56.101:443&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=qcv1sUmY2mmPdAagwB7DjEHK%2FmPDlw6Qt7YtABKv6do%3D%0A&s=e09084ada64c076fd5495663842d43b8ab6e007ddf6f5804a79eb17d6621ab9a
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (certificate verify failed) at
> /opt/webwork/webwork2/lib/WebworkClient.pm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> line 158. End Errors
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My problem is that I'm using a selfsigned certificate for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> testing.  So I don't think creating a self signed SSLCA
> certificate alone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will solve the problem.  I think I should be able to get the
> browser to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> trust the certificate and if this works it will be OK as
> long as only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> instructors have this problem.  Are there any things that
> students do (or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will do) that will bring up similar problems?  If so, the
> option of using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> self signed certificates will have to be abandoned.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone has gotten a browser to trust a self signed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate or can point me to a good reference, I would
> appreciate the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hint.  There seem to be quite a few references, but I
> haven't found one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that works yet.  At least now I know the problem is really
> with the SSL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnie
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:50 AM, John Jones <jj at asu.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can someone write a version of this explanation a la an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apache for dummies?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnie, can you check to see if this fixes the problem you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> encountered during mathfest?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Jason Aubrey <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aubreyja at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Matt - that worked!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Matt Haught <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matt_haught at ncsu.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same problem here on our devel server but not our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> production. I have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been scratching my head with it today.  Our devel server
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also uses the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incommon certs while the production is using godaddy from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get incommon.  So that got me thinking...  I have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to try that appears to have worked for us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add a SSLCACertificateFile apache conf line and have it
> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intermediate/root only cert (2nd link down in the InCommon
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Haught
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> North Carolina State University
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Jason Aubrey <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aubreyja at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Well, at this point I think the error has something to
> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with how my ssl is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > configured.  Here is some evidence from my apache log
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with LogLevel info:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > There were a lot of errors: 500 Can't connect to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > webwork.math.arizona.edu:443
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.math.arizona.edu:443&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=hIi8Y6c%2BF6urweTkKtsDeHM2YeEf66fH%2BdSLpZNJEOE%3D%0A&s=659704ee979814c39994ceb4ce07d99d6c2c6560c6cac50cdf09c2cb8a72a7bf
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at /opt/webwork/webwork2/lib/WebworkClient.pm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > line 158
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > [Tue Aug 26 14:35:13 2014] [info] [client 127.0.0.1] SSL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library error 1 in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > handshake (server webwork.math.arizona.edu:443
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.math.arizona.edu:443&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=hIi8Y6c%2BF6urweTkKtsDeHM2YeEf66fH%2BdSLpZNJEOE%3D%0A&s=659704ee979814c39994ceb4ce07d99d6c2c6560c6cac50cdf09c2cb8a72a7bf
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > [Tue Aug 26 14:35:13 2014] [info] SSL Library Error:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 336151576
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > error:14094418:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown ca
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > [Tue Aug 26 14:35:13 2014] [info] [client 127.0.0.1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Connection closed to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > child 0 with abortive shutdown (server
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> webwork.math.arizona.edu:443
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.math.arizona.edu:443&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=hIi8Y6c%2BF6urweTkKtsDeHM2YeEf66fH%2BdSLpZNJEOE%3D%0A&s=659704ee979814c39994ceb4ce07d99d6c2c6560c6cac50cdf09c2cb8a72a7bf
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > So, you can see (1) that 'it' can't connect to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> webwork.math.arizona.edu:443
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.math.arizona.edu:443&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=hIi8Y6c%2BF6urweTkKtsDeHM2YeEf66fH%2BdSLpZNJEOE%3D%0A&s=659704ee979814c39994ceb4ce07d99d6c2c6560c6cac50cdf09c2cb8a72a7bf
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > and (2) the ssl handshake seems to be dying due to an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown certificate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > authority.  But if you looked at my server, you would
> see
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (3) that my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > certificate authority is in fact well known:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Issued By
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Common Name (CN) InCommon Server CA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Organizaton (O) Internet2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> etc...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Also, there is the fact that (4) my web browsers have no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem connecting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > to the https site.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > So,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (a) Maybe the perl module(s) running the webservice
> calls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (LWP?) don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > recognize the certificate authority.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (b) Maybe the way my redirect to ssl is set up is
> messing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the web
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > service calls. (Permanent redirect to a *:443 vhost)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (c) Maybe there is some other configuration problem with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my ssl set up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (d) Maybe this is completely unrelated to the actual
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks for any ideas.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> webwork-devel mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> webwork-devel at webwork.maa.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=hIi8Y6c%2BF6urweTkKtsDeHM2YeEf66fH%2BdSLpZNJEOE%3D%0A&s=f02b3d4aa31c9f5bdb0b9e2da8bbe66c3f5c55044c9d192f6f36541793737fbd
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=hIi8Y6c%2BF6urweTkKtsDeHM2YeEf66fH%2BdSLpZNJEOE%3D%0A&s=f02b3d4aa31c9f5bdb0b9e2da8bbe66c3f5c55044c9d192f6f36541793737fbd
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Mathematics
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Rochester
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rochester, NY 14627
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (585) 766-8812
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> webwork-devel at webwork.maa.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=qcv1sUmY2mmPdAagwB7DjEHK%2FmPDlw6Qt7YtABKv6do%3D%0A&s=9c972ecbed0fdbb30c086953ea4315f9ae5d19e9d5bba619d57c28a460e32459
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Mathematics
> >>>>>>>>>>> University of Rochester
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rochester, NY 14627
> >>>>>>>>>>> (585) 766-8812
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=KO2RS6ixedrUyvT4arnoHWxFGWY%2BKXWHdd258XPl4sA%3D%0A&s=9fe3159f2d9a66ce99574df5e5079e1082892345249a223a33d5f01b48a2345d
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> >>>>>>>>> Dept. of Mathematics
> >>>>>>>>> University of Rochester
> >>>>>>>>> Rochester, NY 14627
> >>>>>>>>> (585) 766-8812
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> webwork-devel mailing list
> >>>>>>>>> webwork-devel at webwork.maa.org
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> >>>>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=sPqxTKzP%2BXUkKQzphH%2B0Vf%2BHx8y0AjIPpgR8Sic8eSY%3D%0A&s=94c62b5b43b030e6c4d27f9579ee92b47860f672b55a1385bba5bc7384c68d1c
> >
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> >>>>>>> Dept. of Mathematics
> >>>>>>> University of Rochester
> >>>>>>> Rochester, NY 14627
> >>>>>>> (585) 766-8812
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=RoJw%2FW1FRudTnLiaRwnUtv3RFD0IwB0qdHV7Fhpzf14%3D%0A&s=8e712d8e68ae1cd810da77d37023b5cfa9d019748004c8e6168a725b1b26726e
> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> >>>>> Dept. of Mathematics
> >>>>> University of Rochester
> >>>>> Rochester, NY 14627
> >>>>> (585) 766-8812
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> >>>> Dept. of Mathematics
> >>>> University of Rochester
> >>>> Rochester, NY 14627
> >>>> (585) 766-8812
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> webwork-devel mailing list
> >>>> webwork-devel at webwork.maa.org
> >>>> http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel
> >>>> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=uXpSd5MBreIZyU%2FypnzZ2yCoFfhVMWU%2BOUSy6sOlPD8%3D%0A&s=88d694a9e287b84f6a5e6945ea2ac576f8c0f380828ce2104999765a4370a83a
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> >> Dept. of Mathematics
> >> University of Rochester
> >> Rochester, NY 14627
> >> (585) 766-8812
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> webwork-devel mailing list
> >> webwork-devel at webwork.maa.org
> >> http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel
> >> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://webwork.maa.org/mailman/listinfo/webwork-devel&k=p4Ly7qpEBiYPBVenR9G2iQ%3D%3D%0A&r=g5j9%2FzBITNFXnOqzhQf%2B0b%2F2j5jSmy74eqJk2rpyoc4%3D%0A&m=4EzWBikTpV5DQii%2BLk%2FAz7TE936PV1WMhfm%2BAWBB3sQ%3D%0A&s=4a3ca76326f221457ac78da469e049af832eebe5a690e2cdce30bd59a04090de
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> >>
> >>
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> --
> Prof. Arnold K. Pizer
> Dept. of Mathematics
> University of Rochester
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